OOC Chat V

[Asako Hirase]

That is correct, no one is in control the first round.

After that, control belongs to the one who held it last. If there is a break due to a throw, then the cycle resets.

[Ide Amaya]

It is way too early in the morning for this.

[Moto Butaj]

Why wrestling can't have clear rules?

[Asako Yuki]

The line that confuses me is this one.

"The Character with the Highest result of this roll is considered to be in control of the Grapple until the next character's turn." It sounds to me like no one is considered in control at the start of a round. Butaj or Nintoku.

But then I feel I should also point out that Acting is not a contested roll.

It was tn 15 to see Khulun as Silvia. :p

Since we are discussing rules and all.

I noticed that too, but the Silvia thing had happened and passed before I'd even woken up.

Yeah, that line is confusing, and supports Saksaha's idea, but I still think mine works better as it involves less rolling (always a blessing in PbP) and doesn't make me wonder why anyone would ever want to initiate a grapple as they would need to win twice in order to do anything with it.

[Matsu Nintoku]

Grapple Rules are so fun and clear, wouldn't you agree guys? =D

[Iuchi Saksaha]

Rolling for control of a grapple is a Free action, and can only be initiated by the person not in control of the grapple. So if you are the second person, you can gain control and immediately do one of the Grapple Actions.

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EDIT: Saksaha's could work. But I would be against it as a) Way too much rolling. and b) It puts the attacking brawler at a disadvantage as they would have to succeed twice to do anything where as the defender only needs to succeed once.

"When characters are involved in a grapple, one of them is considered to be in control. Initially this is the character who initiates the grapple, but it can change every round. A grappled character must try to control the grapple at the beginning of his turn." (etc) And then under "conditional effects": "Grappled: a character who is participating in a grapple is considered grappled." So everybody participating is apparently supposed to test for control at the beginning of their turns, whether they won the last test or not.

I totally agree that it's a bit much rolling and can suck for the attacker, depending. Or lead to situations where the two sides are pretty evenly matched and so the whims of the dice mean that nobody gets control on their own turn and you spend eight rounds straining and grunting before something happens. I'm just pretty sure it's the right read of the RAW anyway.

However, mutual consent between both wrassling parties in a casual spar should supersede that anyway, IMO!

[Iuchi Yukarin]

Mutual consent is always important when to sweaty shirtless men are wrassling is always important.

Watching from the bushes less so.

[Ichiro Daisuke]

I noticed that too, but the Silvia thing had happened and passed before I'd even woken up.

Yeah, that line is confusing, and supports Saksaha's idea, but I still think mine works better as it involves less rolling (always a blessing in PbP) and doesn't make me wonder why anyone would ever want to initiate a grapple as they would need to win twice in order to do anything with it.

I didn't wish to point it out again, as I already said something similar once. But I felt it was likely wise with all the newer players around. I tried by using the correct tn in my roll, but i don't think anyone noticed.

As for grapple, I'm not a fan of it. Only time I've really used it was to hold down a giant snake for a round so my friends could beat it half to death before I was thrown across the battlefield. The rules are just pretty meh.

[Doji Fukawa]

Grapple Rules are so fun and clear, wouldn't you agree guys? =D

*Casts Fires of Purity on Butaj*

[Matsu Nintoku]

Don't worry Fukawa, Orokos decided gave me plenty of 2s and 1s hahaha.

[Shinjo Akil]

Grapple Rules are so fun and clear, wouldn't you agree guys? =D

*Casts Fires of Purity on Butaj*

*Confiscates Fukawa's scrolls*

[Iuchi Saksaha]

As for grapple, I'm not a fan of it. Only time I've really used it was to hold down a giant snake for a round so my friends could beat it half to death before I was thrown across the battlefield. The rules are just pretty meh.

Somehow we ended up with a set of grapple rules that are kinda meh for dedicated wrestlers/wrestling matches, but great for ganking single targets in boss fights.

When it's four of you versus one large (just not Huge) enemy with SAA, that's when you want to use grappling.

[Shinjo Akil]

Silent Waters: fires from within on trigger: grapple initiated.

That was so rude, MS.

[Ichiro Daisuke]

As for grapple, I'm not a fan of it. Only time I've really used it was to hold down a giant snake for a round so my friends could beat it half to death before I was thrown across the battlefield. The rules are just pretty meh.

Somehow we ended up with a set of grapple rules that are kinda meh for dedicated wrestlers/wrestling matches, but great for ganking single targets in boss fights.

When it's four of you versus one large (just not Huge) enemy with SAA, that's when you want to use grappling.

Well the dedicated wrestlers are good at wrestling people that can't wrestle.

Strength is kind of a dump stat for a lot of Bushi after all.

[Yasuki Tomonaga]

Gah, I swear, if I have a single filled slot in a day, that's when the history lesson will be.